DeepSeek V4.1 Flash 1017vs.Qwen 3.8 27B
Which one is better?
DeepSeek V4.1 Flash 1017 is clearly ahead in the overall index. Qwen 3.8 27B is cheaper for input, DeepSeek V4.1 Flash 1017 for output.
64
DeepSeek V4.1 Flash 1017
Rank 14 to 22
11
Qwen 3.8 27B
Rank 44 to 57
178
DeepSeek V4.1 Flash 1017
fast
40
Qwen 3.8 27B
slow
$0.26
DeepSeek V4.1 Flash 1017
cheap
$0.66
Qwen 3.8 27B
fairly cheap
DeepSeek V4.1 Flash 1017
- Subscription
No DeepSeek subscription includes this model. Through other providers from ≈ €6.36 a month (Token Plan Individual Lite, with limited credits). 7 plans in Germany.
- Via API
$0.15 input, $0.60 output per 1M tokens according to the provider; the price index has listed it at $0.30 and $1 since Oct 26, 2026.
Qwen 3.8 27B
- Subscription
No Alibaba subscription includes this model. Through other providers from ≈ €1.06 a month (Command Code Go, with limited credits). 10 plans in Germany.
- Via API
$0.04 input, $2.50 output per 1M tokens according to the provider; the price index has listed it at $0.42 and $3 since Oct 27, 2026.
Overall index with data through Oct 29, 2026 · Prices from Oct 29, 2026 · Speed: measured by Artificial Analysis · Subscriptions as of Oct 24, 2026 · Subscription prices incl. VAT
Where is the difference?
Values from 0 to 100 per task area. We only name a winner when the gap is large enough and there are enough tests.
DeepSeek V4.1 Flash 1017 ahead: 7Qwen 3.8 27B ahead: 0level: 0too little data: 2of 9 areas
AreaDeepSeek V4.1 Flash 1017Qwen 3.8 27B0 to 100, higher is betterResult
Areas in the overall index
CodingDeepSeek V4.1 Flash 1017 aheadDeepSeek V4.1 Flash 1017: 72Qwen 3.8 27B: 13
ReasoningDeepSeek V4.1 Flash 1017 aheadDeepSeek V4.1 Flash 1017: 45Qwen 3.8 27B: 6
Mathematicsonly Qwen 3.8 27B has a scoreDeepSeek V4.1 Flash 1017: not enough dataQwen 3.8 27B: 8
KnowledgeDeepSeek V4.1 Flash 1017 aheadDeepSeek V4.1 Flash 1017: 33Qwen 3.8 27B: 5
AgentsDeepSeek V4.1 Flash 1017 aheadDeepSeek V4.1 Flash 1017: 75Qwen 3.8 27B: 21
MultimodalDeepSeek V4.1 Flash 1017 aheadDeepSeek V4.1 Flash 1017: 55Qwen 3.8 27B: 13
Specialist fields
FinanceDeepSeek V4.1 Flash 1017 aheadDeepSeek V4.1 Flash 1017: 69Qwen 3.8 27B: 34
LegalDeepSeek V4.1 Flash 1017 aheadDeepSeek V4.1 Flash 1017: 76Qwen 3.8 27B: 23
Healthonly Qwen 3.8 27B has a scoreDeepSeek V4.1 Flash 1017: not enough dataQwen 3.8 27B: 3
Show 1 more areas that do not count toward the overall index
AreaDeepSeek V4.1 Flash 1017Qwen 3.8 27B0 to 100, higher is betterResult
Cybersecurityonly Qwen 3.8 27B has a scoreDeepSeek V4.1 Flash 1017: not enough dataQwen 3.8 27B: 19
See for yourself: same task, one attempt
The same prompt for both models. We show the latest attempt without fixes; it does not count toward the overall index.
This is the lowest documented setting for each provider. It does not make compute comparable across models.
Pelican on a bicycle
A community classic for free-form SVG drawing.
DeepSeek V4.1 Flash 1017
Not tested yet
Qwen 3.8 27B
The response reached the token limit. No complete recording is available.
Reasoning (requested): disabled (enabled: false)
Current attempt
- Run date
- Oct 11, 2026
- API provider
- Alibaba
- Requested API model
- qwen/qwen3.8-27b
- API model reported in response
- qwen/qwen3.8-27b
- Reasoning setting
- disabled (enabled: false)
- Pinned endpoint
- Alibaba | qwen/qwen3.8-27b-20260814
- Temperature
- Provider default
- Token limit including reasoning
- 8,192 tokens
- Reasoning tokens
- 0
- Test protocol
- community-visual-low-v1
- Technical checks
- Failed
- Response time
- 119.1 s
Not yet visually reviewed. A successful recording does not confirm correct physics or full compliance with the prompt.
Prompt and test conditions
Generate an SVG of a pelican riding a bicycle
Token limit including reasoning: 8,192 tokens
Task origin (Simon Willison)SVG short test
There is no shared test round for this selection. Results from different rounds are not mixed.
All data side by side
The better value is bold. For the overall index only when the gap is clear.
| Metric | DeepSeek V4.1 Flash 1017 | Qwen 3.8 27B |
|---|---|---|
| Intelligence | ||
| Overall index0 to 100, higher is better | 64 | 11 |
| Rank | Rank 14 to 22 of 95 | Rank 44 to 57 of 95 |
| Price per 1M tokens | ||
| Inputwhat you send | $0.15 | $0.04 |
| Outputwhat the model writes | $0.60 | $2.50 |
| Speed | ||
| Tokens per second | 178 | 40 |
| Technical | ||
| Context windowhow much text the model reads at once | 1.05 M tokens≈ 1,570 A4 pages | 262,144 tokens≈ 390 A4 pages |
| Knowledge cutoff | n/a | n/a |
| Released | Oct 17, 2026 | Aug 14, 2026 |
| Availability | Open Source | Active |
| Open weights | yes | yes |
- DeepSeek V4.1 Flash 1017: At peak times (Mon, Tue, Wed, Thu, Fri, 01:00-04:00 UTC; Mon, Tue, Wed, Thu, Fri, 06:00-10:00 UTC) the price is $0.30 input and $1.20 output per 1M tokens. The table shows the off-peak price.
- DeepSeek V4.1 Flash 1017, Time-based API pricing: Off peak: $0.15 input, $0.60 output, and $0.003 cached input. Weekdays UTC 01:00-04:00 and 06:00-10:00: $0.30, $1.20, and $0.006. Chinese public holidays are excluded. Source
Prices without caching or batch discounts · Page count as a rule of thumb from Artificial Analysis
Shared benchmarks
Single results from the same benchmark version, task and metric. A value is bold only with the same test setup and a clear gap.
A: DeepSeek V4.1 Flash 1017B: Qwen 3.8 27B
Code MigrationOverall · higher is betterTest setup not documented as identicalDeepSeek V4.1 Flash 1017: 44.2%Qwen 3.8 27B: 14.2%Vals AIAs of 10/18/2026
EMBOverall · higher is betterTest setup not documented as identicalDeepSeek V4.1 Flash 1017: 61.8%Qwen 3.8 27B: 59.7%Vals AIAs of 10/20/2026
Finance Agent (v2)Overall · higher is betterTest setup not documented as identicalDeepSeek V4.1 Flash 1017: 57%Qwen 3.8 27B: 48.6%Vals AIAs of 10/20/2026
Legal Research BenchOverall · All-pass · higher is betterTest setup not documented as identicalDeepSeek V4.1 Flash 1017: 45.2%Qwen 3.8 27B: 36.1%Vals AIAs of 10/26/2026
Tax Agent BenchOverall · higher is betterTest setup not documented as identicalDeepSeek V4.1 Flash 1017: 44.4%Qwen 3.8 27B: 30.9%Vals AIAs of 10/26/2026
Vibe Code Bench v1.1Overall · higher is betterTest setup not documented as identicalDeepSeek V4.1 Flash 1017: 87.7%Qwen 3.8 27B: 64.9%Vals AIAs of 10/26/2026
Code MigrationCLI · higher is betterTest setup not documented as identicalDeepSeek V4.1 Flash 1017: 35.6%Qwen 3.8 27B: 2.2%Vals AIAs of 10/18/2026
EMBComps · higher is betterTest setup not documented as identicalDeepSeek V4.1 Flash 1017: 49.8%Qwen 3.8 27B: 53.3%Vals AIAs of 10/20/2026
Finance Agent (v2)Adjustments · higher is betterTest setup not documented as identicalDeepSeek V4.1 Flash 1017: 58.4%Qwen 3.8 27B: 47.3%Vals AIAs of 10/20/2026
Legal Research BenchAdministrative / Regulatory · All-pass · higher is betterTest setup not documented as identicalDeepSeek V4.1 Flash 1017: 59.1%Qwen 3.8 27B: 45.5%Vals AIAs of 10/26/2026
Show 48 more benchmarks
Tax Agent BenchControversy & Precedence Analysis · higher is betterTest setup not documented as identicalDeepSeek V4.1 Flash 1017: 23.3%Qwen 3.8 27B: 6.7%Vals AIAs of 10/26/2026
Code MigrationCOBOL · higher is betterTest setup not documented as identicalDeepSeek V4.1 Flash 1017: 70%Qwen 3.8 27B: 50%Vals AIAs of 10/18/2026
EMBDataroom · higher is betterTest setup not documented as identicalDeepSeek V4.1 Flash 1017: 82.8%Qwen 3.8 27B: 79.7%Vals AIAs of 10/20/2026
Finance Agent (v2)All-Pass · higher is betterTest setup not documented as identicalDeepSeek V4.1 Flash 1017: 45.2%Qwen 3.8 27B: 36.8%Vals AIAs of 10/20/2026
Legal Research BenchAdministrative / Regulatory · Weighted partial credit · higher is betterTest setup not documented as identicalDeepSeek V4.1 Flash 1017: 91.3%Qwen 3.8 27B: 88.5%Vals AIAs of 10/26/2026
Tax Agent BenchControversy & Precedence Analysis · higher is betterTest setup not documented as identicalDeepSeek V4.1 Flash 1017: 73.2%Qwen 3.8 27B: 48.3%Vals AIAs of 10/26/2026
Code MigrationCode Quality · higher is betterTest setup not documented as identicalDeepSeek V4.1 Flash 1017: 3.992 / 5Qwen 3.8 27B: 4.197 / 5Vals AIAs of 10/18/2026
EMBDCF · higher is betterTest setup not documented as identicalDeepSeek V4.1 Flash 1017: 53%Qwen 3.8 27B: 50%Vals AIAs of 10/20/2026
Finance Agent (v2)Comparables · higher is betterTest setup not documented as identicalDeepSeek V4.1 Flash 1017: 47.5%Qwen 3.8 27B: 38.9%Vals AIAs of 10/20/2026
Legal Research BenchBusiness & Commercial · All-pass · higher is betterTest setup not documented as identicalDeepSeek V4.1 Flash 1017: 44.2%Qwen 3.8 27B: 41.9%Vals AIAs of 10/26/2026
Tax Agent BenchCurrent & Temporal Analysis · higher is betterTest setup not documented as identicalDeepSeek V4.1 Flash 1017: 56.4%Qwen 3.8 27B: 43.1%Vals AIAs of 10/26/2026
EMBLBO · higher is betterTest setup not documented as identicalDeepSeek V4.1 Flash 1017: 57.8%Qwen 3.8 27B: 53.7%Vals AIAs of 10/20/2026
Finance Agent (v2)Disclosure Analysis · higher is betterTest setup not documented as identicalDeepSeek V4.1 Flash 1017: 66.3%Qwen 3.8 27B: 60.3%Vals AIAs of 10/20/2026
Legal Research BenchBusiness & Commercial · Weighted partial credit · higher is betterTest setup not documented as identicalDeepSeek V4.1 Flash 1017: 87.8%Qwen 3.8 27B: 86.8%Vals AIAs of 10/26/2026
Tax Agent BenchCurrent & Temporal Analysis · higher is betterTest setup not documented as identicalDeepSeek V4.1 Flash 1017: 75%Qwen 3.8 27B: 58.6%Vals AIAs of 10/26/2026
EMBM&A · higher is betterTest setup not documented as identicalDeepSeek V4.1 Flash 1017: 62.3%Qwen 3.8 27B: 64.8%Vals AIAs of 10/20/2026
Finance Agent (v2)Earnings Analysis · higher is betterTest setup not documented as identicalDeepSeek V4.1 Flash 1017: 75.3%Qwen 3.8 27B: 70.9%Vals AIAs of 10/20/2026
Legal Research BenchCivil Litigation · All-pass · higher is betterTest setup not documented as identicalDeepSeek V4.1 Flash 1017: 37%Qwen 3.8 27B: 25.9%Vals AIAs of 10/26/2026
Tax Agent BenchFact-Pattern Analysis · higher is betterTest setup not documented as identicalDeepSeek V4.1 Flash 1017: 55.8%Qwen 3.8 27B: 34.9%Vals AIAs of 10/26/2026
EMBMisc · higher is betterTest setup not documented as identicalDeepSeek V4.1 Flash 1017: 60.9%Qwen 3.8 27B: 59.1%Vals AIAs of 10/20/2026
Finance Agent (v2)Financial Modeling · higher is betterTest setup not documented as identicalDeepSeek V4.1 Flash 1017: 22.8%Qwen 3.8 27B: 19.3%Vals AIAs of 10/20/2026
Legal Research BenchCivil Litigation · Weighted partial credit · higher is betterTest setup not documented as identicalDeepSeek V4.1 Flash 1017: 84.9%Qwen 3.8 27B: 83.1%Vals AIAs of 10/26/2026
Tax Agent BenchFact-Pattern Analysis · higher is betterTest setup not documented as identicalDeepSeek V4.1 Flash 1017: 72.5%Qwen 3.8 27B: 57.7%Vals AIAs of 10/26/2026
EMBOperating · higher is betterTest setup not documented as identicalDeepSeek V4.1 Flash 1017: 66.1%Qwen 3.8 27B: 57%Vals AIAs of 10/20/2026
Finance Agent (v2)General Qualitative Analysis · higher is betterTest setup not documented as identicalDeepSeek V4.1 Flash 1017: 74.1%Qwen 3.8 27B: 62.1%Vals AIAs of 10/20/2026
Legal Research BenchConstitutional / Civil Rights · All-pass · higher is betterTest setup not documented as identicalDeepSeek V4.1 Flash 1017: 42.1%Qwen 3.8 27B: 26.3%Vals AIAs of 10/26/2026
Tax Agent BenchForms & Filings · higher is betterTest setup not documented as identicalDeepSeek V4.1 Flash 1017: 33.3%Qwen 3.8 27B: 16.7%Vals AIAs of 10/26/2026
EMBScratch · higher is betterTest setup not documented as identicalDeepSeek V4.1 Flash 1017: 68.5%Qwen 3.8 27B: 64.1%Vals AIAs of 10/20/2026
Finance Agent (v2)General Quantitative Analysis · higher is betterTest setup not documented as identicalDeepSeek V4.1 Flash 1017: 79.2%Qwen 3.8 27B: 66.9%Vals AIAs of 10/20/2026
Legal Research BenchConstitutional / Civil Rights · Weighted partial credit · higher is betterTest setup not documented as identicalDeepSeek V4.1 Flash 1017: 86.6%Qwen 3.8 27B: 82%Vals AIAs of 10/26/2026
Tax Agent BenchForms & Filings · higher is betterTest setup not documented as identicalDeepSeek V4.1 Flash 1017: 79.4%Qwen 3.8 27B: 62.4%Vals AIAs of 10/26/2026
EMBTemplate · higher is betterTest setup not documented as identicalDeepSeek V4.1 Flash 1017: 54.7%Qwen 3.8 27B: 54.7%Vals AIAs of 10/20/2026
Finance Agent (v2)Market Analysis · higher is betterTest setup not documented as identicalDeepSeek V4.1 Flash 1017: 62.7%Qwen 3.8 27B: 49.6%Vals AIAs of 10/20/2026
Legal Research BenchCriminal · All-pass · higher is betterTest setup not documented as identicalDeepSeek V4.1 Flash 1017: 35.1%Qwen 3.8 27B: 26.3%Vals AIAs of 10/26/2026
Tax Agent BenchNumbers & Calculations · higher is betterTest setup not documented as identicalDeepSeek V4.1 Flash 1017: 45.7%Qwen 3.8 27B: 32.3%Vals AIAs of 10/26/2026
Finance Agent (v2)Precedents · higher is betterTest setup not documented as identicalDeepSeek V4.1 Flash 1017: 26.5%Qwen 3.8 27B: 21.6%Vals AIAs of 10/20/2026
Legal Research BenchCriminal · Weighted partial credit · higher is betterTest setup not documented as identicalDeepSeek V4.1 Flash 1017: 83.2%Qwen 3.8 27B: 79.6%Vals AIAs of 10/26/2026
Tax Agent BenchNumbers & Calculations · higher is betterTest setup not documented as identicalDeepSeek V4.1 Flash 1017: 79.5%Qwen 3.8 27B: 66.2%Vals AIAs of 10/26/2026
Legal Research BenchFamily · All-pass · higher is betterTest setup not documented as identicalDeepSeek V4.1 Flash 1017: 27.3%Qwen 3.8 27B: 22.7%Vals AIAs of 10/26/2026
Tax Agent BenchRule & Source Lookup · higher is betterTest setup not documented as identicalDeepSeek V4.1 Flash 1017: 46.7%Qwen 3.8 27B: 50%Vals AIAs of 10/26/2026
Legal Research BenchFamily · Weighted partial credit · higher is betterTest setup not documented as identicalDeepSeek V4.1 Flash 1017: 74.2%Qwen 3.8 27B: 69.2%Vals AIAs of 10/26/2026
Tax Agent BenchRule & Source Lookup · higher is betterTest setup not documented as identicalDeepSeek V4.1 Flash 1017: 70.8%Qwen 3.8 27B: 68%Vals AIAs of 10/26/2026
Legal Research BenchHealth · All-pass · higher is betterTest setup not documented as identicalDeepSeek V4.1 Flash 1017: 66.7%Qwen 3.8 27B: 63.3%Vals AIAs of 10/26/2026
Tax Agent BenchWeighted Pass · higher is betterTest setup not documented as identicalDeepSeek V4.1 Flash 1017: 74.9%Qwen 3.8 27B: 60%Vals AIAs of 10/26/2026
Legal Research BenchHealth · Weighted partial credit · higher is betterTest setup not documented as identicalDeepSeek V4.1 Flash 1017: 96.2%Qwen 3.8 27B: 94.3%Vals AIAs of 10/26/2026
Legal Research BenchImmigration · All-pass · higher is betterTest setup not documented as identicalDeepSeek V4.1 Flash 1017: 36.4%Qwen 3.8 27B: 18.2%Vals AIAs of 10/26/2026
Legal Research BenchImmigration · Weighted partial credit · higher is betterTest setup not documented as identicalDeepSeek V4.1 Flash 1017: 79%Qwen 3.8 27B: 78%Vals AIAs of 10/26/2026
Legal Research BenchOverall · Weighted partial credit · higher is betterTest setup not documented as identicalDeepSeek V4.1 Flash 1017: 86.3%Qwen 3.8 27B: 82.6%Vals AIAs of 10/26/2026
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